tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21843852.post4697936073832909362..comments2024-01-04T05:57:26.735-06:00Comments on Education Policy Blog: Hosted by the Forum on the Future of Public Education: I am a history-education half-breedCraig A. Cunninghamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18160288758906798678noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21843852.post-79200436484414413442007-03-08T16:30:00.000-06:002007-03-08T16:30:00.000-06:00A.G.,Christine Ogren's The American State Normal S...A.G.,<BR/><BR/>Christine Ogren's <A HREF="http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/top3mset/5e77bf31aec9be77a19afeb4da09e526.html" REL="nofollow">The American State Normal School</A> is now the definitive history of public normal schools. I'd also recommend Jurgen Herbst's <A HREF="http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/top3mset/ab193f2e946b9bc0a19afeb4da09e526.html" REL="nofollow">And Sadly Teach</A>.Sherman Dornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00491045214079619658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21843852.post-59517009361079192292007-03-06T13:11:00.000-06:002007-03-06T13:11:00.000-06:00Let's go back to what Levine said:"From their ince...Let's go back to what Levine said:<BR/>"From their inception, America’s schools of education have engaged in a continuing quest to gain acceptance in the academy."<BR/><BR/>Nowhere is the gap between the two clearer in the prestige differential between Ed.D and Ph.D.<BR/><BR/>Normal schools and Female Seminaries morphed into CoEs. They still have that cachet. Universities then went on a binge, gobbling up (or being gobbled up by) hospitals and other institutions, including teacher's colleges. But they never fully assimilated the CoEs. <BR/><BR/>Levine is correct. CoEs have an inferiority complex. And one of the reasons is the history. <BR/><BR/>But they also have some insurmountable structural dependencies that hamstring their efforts. Ask: who are the CoEs dependent upon for the acceptance of THEIR product? Public schools! That dependency relation (weak ties in SNT) cannot be ignored.<BR/><BR/>http://home.earthlink.net/~fheap...pblog/ id13.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21843852.post-63565268225655204702007-03-04T17:47:00.000-06:002007-03-04T17:47:00.000-06:00Craig, I didn't get your test sent to my email, if...Craig, I didn't get your test sent to my email, if that is what you were testing.<BR/><BR/>Sherman, the discussion of ed schools and academe between J. Wesley Null and David Labaree on the H-Education list to which you linked is very helpful to me. In my undergrad fdns class, I paint the normal schools as deficient places from which we in colleges of ed are still recovering. However, I am eager to explore the views that, historically, normal schools were places of intellectual rigor and multidisciplinary investigations. I did know about the Oswego movement, but didn't emphasize it. Thanks!A. G. Rudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14065737458510256119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21843852.post-47812056957962067182007-03-04T08:11:00.000-06:002007-03-04T08:11:00.000-06:00This is a testThis is a testCraig A. Cunninghamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18160288758906798678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21843852.post-59171455528901354462007-03-03T06:57:00.000-06:002007-03-03T06:57:00.000-06:00Sherman, you may have read Eric Bredo's article a ...Sherman, you may have read Eric Bredo's article a few years ago that found a positive correlation between prestige in social foundations and prestige of the respective college or school of ed. I can send you the PDF.<BR/><BR/>Art Levine just spoke two days ago at Purdue. He may be reflecting the Bredo findings (I mean the general view that Bredo states, not actually citing Eric's article). He gave a canned but nonetheless excellent summing of his teacher report you cite, and stressed especially that ed schools are professional schools that need to stop aping the arts and sciences. One thing I find I can do in ed schools (I have a "straight" philosophy doctorate from a liberal arts philosophy dept) that I can't do in a liberal arts discipline is meld and mix disciplines, AND consider practice. And I know the undergrads I teach will be out working right after graduation, so there is much more urgency in what I do.<BR/><BR/>Just some thoughts.A. G. Rudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14065737458510256119noreply@blogger.com